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'METHOD IN AHMADINEJAD'S MADNESS'

Menashe Amir: 'Western Leaders Must Understand That Shiite Islam Condones Telling Lies In Order To Deceive The Enemy'

'Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust Because He Is Now Preparing One'

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'Iranian President's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speeches in New York were a pack of lies designed to deceive the West' - that's the assessment of Arab Affairs expert Menashe Amir. In an interview with IsraCast, Amir said Ahmadinejad exploited the Shiite Islamic tradition of telling lies in order to mislead the enemy and cover your true intentions. It is known as 'taukia' and Ahmadinejad exploits it to create the false impression that Iran already has acquired the technology for enriching uranium for producing nuclear weapons.

 

How could Iranian President Ahmadinejad tell such bare-faced lies in his appearances in New York? Israeli expert Menashe Amir says one must understand that Shiite Islam has a tradition known as 'taukia' which condones the telling of lies in order to mislead one's enemies. This was at the core of Ahmadinejad's appearances most notably in his claim that Islam prohibits the production of nuclear weapons. Other high ranking Iranian officials have said the same thing in order to hide the real intention of Iran's nuclear development. It was employed successfully by Iran in stonewalling the International Atomic Energy Agency. It should have come as no surprise that Ahmadinejad went out of his way to praise the International Atomic Energy Agency in order to transfer the 'Iranian file' back to the IAEA from the Security Council which has been considering harsher sanctions.

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Although Ahmadinejad tried to portray the image of a peace-loving leader this did not apply to the Jews or Israel. In his view the Jewish people did not enjoy the right of self determination in their ancient homeland. On the contrary, Jews were to be treated as second class citizens. Although Columbia University President Lee Bollinger introduced Ahmadinejad with a harsh rebuke this was totally ignored by Iran's mass communications. The Iranian people saw their leader scoring a victory rather than being subjected to international criticism. If Ahmadinejad had swaggered into the General Assembly lashing out at the 'world powers' while he still does not have 'the bomb' what can be expected when he does? In Menashe Amir's view it will spell disaster leading to a second Holocaust. And he adds: ' The reason Ahmadinejad is so emphatic about denying the Holocaust is because he is preparing another one!' There was no question that Ahmadinejad would endanger the entire world and not just Israel. Iran's leader has revealed a new policy aimed at changing the international order that involves canceling the U.N. and its Security Council and to deprive the U.S. and the other world powers of what he called their 'excessive rights'. Having done so, Iran's ultimate goal would be to advance the Islamic Empire world wide.

At the General Assembly, the danger was addressed by French President Nicolas Sarkozy but not all countries were cooperating in extending sanctions on Iran. Germany was now opposing such a move contending that France, Great Britain and even the U.S. were still maintaining commercial ties with Tehran. The Germans contend that the U.S. did up to $300 million in trade with the Iranians last year. They note such corporations as Microsoft and Coca Cola. Amir warns that as long countries are not cooperating it will make it impossible for the U.S. to exert the necessary pressure to dissuade the Iranians from continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

Most evaluations give Iran up to three years to overcome its technical problems in producing enough enriched uranium to start producing nuclear weapons and Menashe Amir warns: 'Time is fast running out!'

Transcript of the interview with Menashe Amir, an expert on Iran:

David Essing: We are speaking now with Menashe Amir, an expert on Iran. First of all, Menashe Amir, at the Columbia University address and at the UN General Assembly, President Ahmadinejad seemed to be playing the role of peace lover, trying to make peace throughout the world and so forth. Were there any surprises, to your mind, in the appearance of Ahmadinejad? the impression that he has been trying to make in the U.S.?

Menashe Amir: I wasn’t surprised by what he said. Yesterday I had an interview a few hours before his speech in the General Assembly, and I guessed exactly what he was going to say. Whatever he said, it was already told by him or by other Iranian leaders, and it is a bunch of propaganda, things that are very clear lies.

Q: What in particular struck you from his speech? The fact that he ignored Iran’s drive to acquire nuclear weapons and tried to portray this as nuclear development?

Menashe Amir: Everything that he said was a lie, propaganda for the purpose of exporting of their ideas. When he says that there are no homosexuals in Iran, when he says that women have equal rights in Iran, when he speaks about the Jews and Bahais and others, who are not persecuted in the country, these are very clear lies.

Q: Is this part of Shiite Islam? Because how does Ahmadinejad think that he can get away with such barefaced lies?

Menashe Amir: Yes. When he says that according to Islam it is forbidden to produce nuclear weapon, it is a tradition in Shiite Islam, which is called 'taukia', which means that you are allowed to lie for the sake of Islam, for covering your real intentions and staying safe. When he says that Islam prohibits the production of nuclear bombs - and this is not Ahmadinejad who says that – there are the Iranian high religious personalities that had said so. This is a kind of 'taukia' - just to lie and to mislead the whole world.

Q: If this is part of the culture, is this what indeed President Ahmadinejad is doing with the international Atomic Energy Agency, because he went out of his way, surprisingly, I thought, to praise the IAEA. He didn’t mention Al Baradei, but he came very close to doing that.

Menashe Amir: Yes, this is a new tactic of the Iranians, to encourage Al Baradei and the Agency, to encourage them to bring back the Iranian file from the Security Council into IAEA.

Q: So when it comes to any kind of dialogue with Ahmadinejad, this tradition of 'taukia' – outright lying – should be taken into account by the west.

Menashe Amir: No doubt about it. I think all the western countries who know something about Iran know that the Iranian leaders are very directly lying, and that they are trying to cover their real intentions, that they are forwarding for having the nuclear bomb, that they are discriminating their religious minorities, that they are executing the youngsters in Iran and they are persecuting the political liberals and so on.

Q: Well, there was no mention of Israel, he spoke about the Zionists and so forth. Was this tantamount to a total rejection of any Jewish right of self determination in the ancient homeland of the Jews?

Menashe Amir: Of course. Jews have no rights in this land, they can be second class citizens under Islamic Palestinian rule. And that’s the reason that they don’t recognize the State of Israel, they don’t recognize Zionism and they only recognize Jews as second class citizens under Palestinian Islamic rule.

Q: If Ahmadinejad is trying to buy time, and this was the purpose of his trip to the U.S., how do you think it’s playing back in Tehran?

Menashe Amir: The Iranian people who listen to foreign radio broadcasts know that before his speech there was a very harsh criticism of Bollinger. They know about that. But the Iranian mass communication have totally ignored what Bollinger, the president of the Columbia University, said. They only gave Ahmadinejad’s speech and they think that it was a kind of a victory for their President, who had this tribune to explain and to promote the ideology of the Islamic regime in Iran.

Q: So this idea of a dialogue with Ahmadinejad has fallen through, from this point of view.

Menashe Amir: Of course.

Q: Well, if President Ahmadinejad has appeared the way he did, with such self confidence and so forth, without actually having a nuclear weapon. What can we expect of an Ahmadinejad who does have the bomb?

Menashe Amir: That will be a disaster, and as John Bolton said, it may cause a second Holocaust. In fact, the reason that they are denying the Holocaust is just because they are preparing another one. And that will be a disaster for all humanity. The Iranian nuclear problem is not only an Israeli problem, it’s a universal problem, Iran may endanger the whole world. In fact, the speaker for Ahmadinejad in the General Assembly of the United Nations is showing a new Iranian policy, which means that they want to change the international order, they want to cancel the United Nations as it is, they want to cancel the Security Council and they want to deprive the Americans, the western countries, and also Russia, from extra rights that they have. They demand equal rights, they want to be a part of an international arrangement, they want to advance the Islam and they want to have the Islamic Empire all over the world.

Q: Is there any recognition, do you think, growing recognition, in the international community, in the west, of the dangers? Because we did see the French President, Sarkozy, taking a rather tough stand in his speech at the General Assembly.

Menashe Amir: Yes, of course I think that some of the Europeans understand now how dangerous this kind of regime may be, that may also have the nuclear bomb in the near future. But the problem is that now the Germans are not really cooperating, they do not favor the extension of the sanctions, because they claim that they have economic interests in Iran which have been damaged, while France, Britain and even the United States continue to have commercial ties with Iran. According to the statistics that have been published by the Germans, France continues its trades with Iran and even the United States has some two hundred or three hundred million Dollars of trade with Iran. Microsoft is active in Iran and so is Coca Cola. The Americans are benefiting from the situation inside Iran. So as long as countries like Germany are not so much in favor and are not cooperating with the United States it will be very difficult for President Bush to act and to put the necessary pressure on Iran to stop the nuclear program.

Q: So the international community, particularly the west, has to get its act together very quickly.

Menashe Amir: Has to. Of course Ahmadinejad claims that they already finished to acquire the necessary knowledge and technology to enrich uranium and to have some kind of nuclear options and possibility, but it’s not true. They have technical problems and it may take them another year, or two years, or three years to have enough enriched uranium to produce their first nuclear bomb. But time is running fast, and the west has to act as quickly as possible.



 

David Essing

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